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post #1 of 114
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The forum about pirating other peoples pictures and using them on a website got me thinking...I am about to open my store and I am going to be making dummy cakes, some of which I got ideas for from here or various books that I own. Whats the rule on taking some one else's idea and making it my own by changing the design a bot or making an exact replica. I am so nervous now- I don't want to make any one mad or cause problems. There was also a thread a while back about a hamburger cake. Ideas, anyone?
post #2 of 114
This is just a guess, but I don't think anybody minds people making copies of their cakes ... I think what they mind is somebody taking the photograph of the cake THEY made and passing it off as their own.
LINDA
Groveland, MA
Little? Ya, I'm only 4'9.25".
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LINDA
Groveland, MA
Little? Ya, I'm only 4'9.25".
http://www.winkflash.com/photo/public.aspx?u=TheVienneaus
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post #3 of 114
Yeah, I certainly do mind if someone makes an exact copy of one of my cakes. And I state that on my website. I don't copy others designers' work and I hope that other designers don't copy mine. I used to be a writer and am probably more sensitive than most to copyright infringements. I may use someone else's design for inspiration, and would be fine with someone using one of mine as inspiration for their work. But an exact copy? nun-uh.
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post #4 of 114
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Yeah, that is what I was getting at. I always use the pics for inspiration and add my own style. Sometimes, you get a customer that brings you a picture and wants THAT cake. It is a tough call, but isn't that what CC is for?
post #5 of 114
I don't mind if someone copies my cake or uses it as inspiration. I think it is nice to credit your inspriation. If you have actually made the cake, and put your own flair to it I don't see it as a problem. Some designs have been made and remade thousands of times. Now I guess you might want to think twice about recreating an especially original cake or signature design without crediting your inspiration.

Using someone else's photos and calling it your own is a totally different story. I think that is wrong.
post #6 of 114
It is a touchy subject lately. I agree that no one should pass on someone else's photo as their own. But Gettin ideas or inspiration from their work I feel is ok. With millions of cakes out there its hard to say who originally created a specific idea or cake. And I agree with you that CC is here t help us. We are a great community and I know personally many have helped me with ideas.
post #7 of 114
I agree that ideas and inspirations are fine. It's gettin' ripped off that I object to.

When I was a writer I went toe to toe with my boss who almost took my name off a "white paper" I had written and put his own name on it to take credit for it. I was having none of that crap. As I said, I'm very sensitive to copyright issues.

And I stamp all my estimates/invoices that "Cake designs are copyrighted by Gallery House." just to alert another baker if a bride shows up with my estimate. Brides do not leave with my drawings.
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post #8 of 114
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Yes, yes, using someone else's photo's is horrible. No question there.
post #9 of 114
Roasted turkey cakes, belly cakes, flip flop cakes, bra cakes, tuxedo heart cakes, shirt cakes, fish bowl cakes, pirate ship cakes .... some have been done thousands of times! Does anybody know who was the "original" designer? I wonder if somebody out there is FUMING over these copies of their designs.

... and what DO you do if a customer comes to you with a picture of a cake and asks if you can replicate it?
LINDA
Groveland, MA
Little? Ya, I'm only 4'9.25".
http://www.winkflash.com/photo/public.aspx?u=TheVienneaus
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LINDA
Groveland, MA
Little? Ya, I'm only 4'9.25".
http://www.winkflash.com/photo/public.aspx?u=TheVienneaus
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post #10 of 114
from my understanding, copying a cake design is not illegal..there was a post somewhere in another forum where a decorator's lawyer friend stated that cake designs cannot be copyrighted....like dress designs..hence all the knockoff gowns after the emmys...

you can copyright the name of a design.like Whimsey Cakes...but not the specific design..again according to a lawyer

credit should be given of course to the original designer

nicholas lodge stated that he never releases a design to a client until the contract is signed and deposit made.

regarding photos i agree with everyone..dont pass it off as yours and get permission from person whose picture it is if you want to use it

just my two cents
post #11 of 114
[quote=... and what DO you do if a customer comes to you with a picture of a cake and asks if you can replicate it?[/quote]

My standard speech = "No. I will not copy someone else's work, and I expect the same respect from other designers. Please remember that every bride in the country is looking at the same handful of magazines that you're looking at. Wouldn't you rather have a cake that was designed just for you? Something just for your wedding? I don't want your guests to come into the reception hall and say 'Oh look, she copied (insert name) cake.' It doesn't cost any extra, and that's why most brides come to Gallery House--to get an original design for their cake."

That me and how I do business. I'm pretty assertive.
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post #12 of 114
This is very interesting to me. Everyone gets whipped up in a lather over cake design, yet no one bats an eye when people type up a recipe from the WBH or other cookbook and posts it here, there by depriving the original creator a book sale.

Copying a design and copying a list of ingredients are both legal. Why is one so much more reprehensible than the other ?
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post #13 of 114
I do not mind if someone makes an exact copy of one of my cakes. I dont agree with copying the photo and passing it off as your own work. I put my cakes on here to share with everyone.
post #14 of 114
good point txkat
post #15 of 114
Thread Starter 
Yes, very good points.
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