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"Can you do it for what she charged us?"

post #1 of 25
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This is a good one..

A woman I volunteer with told me that her company does monthly birthdays and always gets a cake. The woman they were using is moving and they'll be needing someone new. She has ordered from me before and talked me up to the secretary of the company.

I call the secretary to get the informations and see what they're looking for on a monthly basis. They always order a double layer cake, half chocolate and half white that will feed 100 people. She was trying her best to explain to me how big it was (the ones they received from the woman who was moving) and from what it sounds like, they were given a full sheet and a half sheet. No box fit it, the woman would construct her own from cardboard.

So we have a double layer, double flavored, very large cake that will feed 100 people. Their workplace is about 20-25mins. from me depending on traffic. I make most of my cakes from scratch. Are you adding this all up? lol

She tells me that they were hoping that they could get the same price or about the same price that they were receiving from the former baker.......


$62.50 icon_surprised.gif

Am I crazy? It took everything in me to not make my gaping mouth an actual sound that she'd hear over the phone. I politely told her that I would go over some things (pan sizes, etc.) and get back with her to let her know if I'd be able to do this.

Ha! The ingredients and packaging alone would be about half of this...and much more if you want to throw in the time and gas. I was wondering if it would be worth it in the long run - potential deals from employees there, etc. But the more I think about it, it's soooo not worth it. I'd hardly be making a profit and it will be more time than it's worth. She'd be hard pressed to find ANYONE doing a cake that large for that amount.

The woman who has been doing them is either just saying she's "moving" to get out of this crap deal or her cakes aren't anything to write home about.

I'm willing to bet she's a good friend of someone there, giving them a discount. I'll have to ask my contact when I see her what the real deal is...
post #2 of 25
Ouch...I don't really think it would be worth the time. But you can always call her back and offer her a price. What's the worst she can say...no? I would even explain to her that for the cost of ingredients/time/and travel expenses, you'd be at a lost...she might understand. **disclaimer** she may not understand...in which case don't get mad at me icon_smile.gif LOL!
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post #3 of 25
IS SHE CRAZY!!! icon_eek.gif where has she been getting her cakes, at a 5 and dime store. that price is ridiculous. icon_confused.gif
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post #4 of 25
$62.50 icon_eek.gificon_surprised.gif ..you gotta' be kidding!!! I think I would say "thanks, but no thanks"! I would offer make it for around $100 and use box mixes..but that is just my opinion, of course! I too, would be curious as to the real reason the "other" person will no longer be doing the cakes.
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post #5 of 25
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edcjenv, lol...I won't come after you. I was thinking the same, I'm just going to let her know that it's not feasible for me to do it at that price. The minimum would definitely be around $100. If she wants something around that price range, it would be a smaller cake than what she's asking for.

However, I won't call until Monday, after I've seen and talked to my friend tomorrow.

I've asked a few of my friends who don't know the first thing about decorating/baking what they'd expect to pay and not one person said anything under $80.

5 and dime is right! lol And MrsMissey, I would be using box cakes if I did it but even still, as well all know, there are ingredients to buy with those.

I didn't even get to ask about decorating. I'd s**t a brick if they expected anything beyond borders. icon_razz.gif
post #6 of 25
i do the cakes at my hubbies work. they have to feed 200 ppl. they store that they used to buy from would charge 80 plus tax.

im getting paid 75. and i do 2 cakes a month. but this month im doing 4 bc of baby shower and the 4th
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post #7 of 25
The reason I said "box mixes" was more about "time" not ingredients!
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post #8 of 25
Maybe it's just me, but a full sheet and a half sheet will feed way more than 100 people. Maybe it was a miscommunication? I charge $65 for a full sheet.
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post #9 of 25
icon_surprised.gif holy-crapola! only for charity would i do a cake for less than $1 per serving. it's easier for bakeries/grocery stores to charge next to nothing, since they use ingredients purchased at wholesale and generally pay their bakers and decorators a pittance, and most don't deliver!.

it's important to consider all your costs when pricing a cake, but edcjenv is right in that this needn't be discussed with the customer beyond saying that your costs are such-and-such amount per serving, plus whatever for extra decoration. but if you decide to make the monthly cake for this company, don't be surprised if the word-of-mouth business that you hope to generate comes to you expecting the same rock-bottom pricing.

the company isn't offering you a comprehensive benefits package in addition to this measly wage contract, are they? icon_wink.gif
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post #10 of 25
Ironbaker,
I was asked to give a quote for a big cake at my husbands company for a retirement party later this month. Just my costs alone...not including my time and delivery were $50. And I'm using boxed cake mixes!!!
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post #11 of 25
Ok this sounds big. If you your not sure. How about this. Make them pay you in advance for the entire year. Being there will be a birthday every month. That way it will almost be worth it. icon_confused.gif I mean you could get all the boxes made in advance. And you already have your money. You have all names and dates in advance. They can't add anything to the cakes. Make them all just simple and easy. Maybe different flavor each time. They can't add anyone once contract is signed. Just a thought.

Maybe you could say something like
"I am not sure but maybe she (the other) was getting her supplies by bulk (or she is just out of her freaking mind) icon_surprised.gif LOL Just joking. But being I don't I will have to charge more than 62.50. Actually I charge at least 1.25 per slice. (just an example) If you do a full year contract with me I am willing to go a few bucks under my "original" price. Other than that I must say I cannot do take this on.
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post #12 of 25
ok, first, at my bakery a full sheet cut into 2x2 squares will feed 96. There will always be thos who want bigger pieces (who wouldn't?), second for a bakery cake a full and a half sheet would add up to $63 at my bakery (which does not make freshly baked cakes or there own frosting). You're dang right she should pay you more. A bakery doesn't deliver either, and I don't think ours would put the two different cakes together (that large) for fear of it seperating and then it being a complaint order.
post #13 of 25
I'm going to have to agree with you, briansbaker. I would have them sign a contract for a year if you can get them to pay your price... and get the money in advance for the year. Maybe give them an ever-so-slight discount if they pay you up front like that. They are INSANE if they think they are getting that much cake for that cheap!!! icon_eek.gif
post #14 of 25
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Point taken, MrsMissey! thumbs_up.gif

Briansbaker, that's a good idea and I will keep it in mind. Thanks for your input.

I was also thinking the same as far as a full and a half sheet being too much for 100 people. But I asked her over and over to clarify that is what she meant and wanted. She seemed to know the sheet sizes and clearly said the cake wouldn't fit into any cake box. The woman had to have people help her bring it in in a big cardboard box.

Eh...I'll have to think about this one. Thanks everyone for your input, I can always count on getting info here. icon_smile.gif

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the company isn't offering you a comprehensive benefits package in addition to this measly wage contract, are they? icon_wink.gif



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post #15 of 25
What kind of cake does someone expect at 63 cents per serving???!!!

She's nuts. Don't sell yourself short...you'll never make a profit on that!!
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