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mbelgard Posted 3 Aug 2007 , 10:55pm
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My brother told me once that not a drop of alcohol had ever passed over his lips (understandable--our father was an alcoholic who abandoned him as a child). I didn't have the heart to ask him how much vanilla, etc. he had consumed in his life.




I think people don't think about it. icon_lol.gif

Thanks for the recipe Doug, I'll have to try it soon. icon_twisted.gif

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Doug Posted 3 Aug 2007 , 10:57pm
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And as for the pictures, don't worry, I only have from the legs down. The rest is hidden with the table cloth. No one would even know it's you.
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ROFLMTO*

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and then there are those of us who pretty much gave up on alcohol for a BETTER vice:







chocolate! (well they do make chocolate liqueur! icon_rolleyes.gif)
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donkey out for a massage -- have use my tooky instead!

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stacyyarger Posted 3 Aug 2007 , 11:16pm
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I mix my Luster Duster with Vanilla.


Good Luck,
stacy

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beachcakes Posted 3 Aug 2007 , 11:17pm
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Okay folks. First there are studies that suggest that cooking or air exsposure do not remove "all" of the alcohol. The essance will still be there and to those who religiously hold the no alcohol rule this will matter.




I agree with shootersstrigger on this one and I''m glad this question was posted, as I'd always wondered. Now, let me say that I use vodka or gin all the time when painting on fondant or using lustre dusts and we drink in the home. But we have friends who are in AA; I would not use it on a cake for them. They will not eat a meal that was prepared using alcohol, because not all of the alcohol cooks out. I would think that the same would apply to the lustre dust, the alcohol evaporates, but is there any residue left at all? That small amount might not matter to most of us, but it might be a big deal for an alcoholic or someone with strong religious beliefs. I'll never forget how bad i felt when i made a cake for work that had gelatin in the filling and one of my coworkers is a vegetarian. She found out half way through her slice. Vegetarians shouldn't have to worry about cake. But I digress...

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TexasSugar Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 2:43am
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Me too, my husband has a habit of bringing home something because he feels like a specific drink and having one or two drinks of it before moving on. icon_lol.gif




I have three bottles of vodka under the cabinet, plain, vanilla and raspberry. I've used the vanilla and raspberry in icing before.

I also have to have Malibu in the house, as well as pineapple juice. Then there are the other bottles that you need for this and that. icon_smile.gif

There is enough of other things that the everclear can stay for just the cake stuff.

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lionladydi Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 3:00am
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Me too, my husband has a habit of bringing home something because he feels like a specific drink and having one or two drinks of it before moving on. icon_lol.gif



I have three bottles of vodka under the cabinet, plain, vanilla and raspberry. I've used the vanilla and raspberry in icing before.

I also have to have Malibu in the house, as well as pineapple juice. Then there are the other bottles that you need for this and that. icon_smile.gif

There is enough of other things that the everclear can stay for just the cake stuff.




And the party starts when????????? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

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tobycat Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 3:01am
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[quote="TexasSugar"]

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Me too, my husband has a habit of bringing home something because he feels like a specific drink and having one or two drinks of it before moving on. icon_lol.gif




I also have to have Malibu in the house, as well as pineapple juice. Then there are the other bottles that you need for this and that. icon_smile.gif

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Ah Malibu -- now you're bringing back memories -- I learned of that in England when they gave me something they called a "coach driver" -- Malibue and pineapple juice! Oh, but now I really digress.

I don't like lemon extact -- just doesn't work well for me. I have a giant bottle of vodka that I've had for several years now. It's really funny to take it out for the 3 drops I need to mix with some dust.

Our pastor and his wife don't drink, so when I made something that had alcohol in it (cake balls with Bailey's), I just asked before I made it. They were fine with it. I think that when in doubt -- just ask! thumbs_up.gif

But, as far as the flavor of vodka goes -- as everyone else said -- you won't taste a thing.

S.

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adonisthegreek1 Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 3:14am
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If the couple is very religious you probably need to mention the alcohol. My sister and I are both religious, but I cook with alcohol all the time and even use the Red Wine Viniagrette salad dressing. My sister and her family look at me like I'm a Jezebel. I cook with red wine, whisky, beer, vodka and rum all the time. If they even thought that I cooked and gave them some of my "secular" creations, they'd be livid. I'm a Christian too, my husband and kids have never gotten drunk because I cooked burgundy beef. Some people can be rather narrow minded about this.

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TexasSugar Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 3:19am
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Ah Malibu -- now you're bringing back memories -- I learned of that in England when they gave me something they called a "coach driver" -- Malibue and pineapple juice! Oh, but now I really digress.




Malibu, pineapple juice and a splash or two of sour green apple is my fave drink to drink at home. The sour green apple can be just the drink mix or it can be the sour apple pucker.

MMmm yummy!

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keriskreations Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 3:36am
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Doug, texas and sonoma, you are making my mouth water with your drink flavors - YUM! I'm not a big drinker, but I do like those drinks that are cool and refreshing. Try Vodka with lemon juice, grenadine, lime juice/limes and some Ginger ale - very refreshing on a hot day!

I had never used Vodka on anything until I did my tractor cake this week. I used it with the fondant, so it was a bit sticky, but it worked so much better than vanilla for me. I can see the point of wanting to ask someone if they mind it's been sprayed- for some it may be an issue, for me it wouldn't be. Of course, I haven't passed out under a table after hitting a pinata from eating cake sprayed with Luster Dust and Vodka either....... wait, what?

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AnythingSugar Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 4:06am
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I don't drink but I love Godiva chocolate liquer in my chocolate cakes. I also like to add some chambord to a white cake and use raspberry buttercream. There is nothing better than banana bread pudding with banana rum. Oh and bananas foster with banana rum........Wow sounds like I use a lot of liquor for somebody that doesn't drink LOL

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cakemommy Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 5:23am
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this may be a dumb question - but when you say you are going to spray the luster/ onto your cake, what are you spraying it with? I have painted onto fondant and stuff but what do you "spray" with? thanks





I'd like to know this too. I have the Preval sprayer that Duff uses but after reading about the "gases" used to spray I haven't tried it for an edible cake, just on a dummy cake.

I would like to know what out there can I use that is inexpensive.


Thanks all and STOP it!!!! It's Friday night and my hubby isn't home!!!!! icon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif The kids have been driving me NUTS for the last seven months.....I could use a STIFF drink!!!1 icon_twisted.gif


Amy

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lardbutt Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 6:01am
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If you keep extracts in your home, then you keep "alcohol" in your home.

In order to make extracts, most things have to be combined/steeped/suspended with alcohol.

Good lemon extract is about 83%+ alcohol (that's 166 proof) and the minimum for vanilla extract is 35% (70 proof). Gin and vodka run about 80-90 proof, or 40-50% alcohol. Listerine mouthwash runs about 50 proof.

If you don't want the flavoring of the extract left behind, then vodka or Everclear are your best bet--no real flavor (like gin or vanilla), no oil (like lemon), and high alcohol content for rapid evaporation.

For painting with dusts, I like lemon extract because the oil helps keep the "paint" from streaking and gives a bit of extra work time. For spraying, no oil is very, very important because it helps keep the airbrush from clogging.

HTH
Rae




I've had a rough day! I guess I'll have to drink the listerine!!!!!!! icon_lol.gif

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fabfour Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 11:42am
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I will be using my airbrush to spray the pearl dust with. I think there were a few on here that were asking what I was using to spray with.

After talking it over with DH we have decided to use clear vanilla with this cake since I didn't ask a head of time. After briefly speaking to them last night, I think there is some stress so I'm not going to add to it.

In the future if the bride wants it dusted then I will ask at the time of the consult. Plus I want to do a little experienting.

Thank you all for your suggestions and opinions they were greatly appreciated. Today is the big day and by looking at the reception center...oh my I may be out of my league.

Missy

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tdybear1978 Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 12:27pm
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so you just mix the extract with your dust and pour it into your airbrush? so can you do this just on to buttercream or does it have to be fondant covered?

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Doug Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 1:05pm
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so you just mix the extract with your dust and pour it into your airbrush? so can you do this just on to buttercream or does it have to be fondant covered?




can spray either. just let the BC crust before you do.

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and re: the alcohol and Christians --- I find it "amusing" considering:
a) Christ changed water into wine for a wedding feast (so He had no problem w/ people drinking it!)

b) Apostle Paul dispensed the advice to take wine w/ dinner as it was better for the body.

it comes back to a simple concept

ANYTHING done to excess is/can be a vice (mine is chocolate!)

Moderation in all things. (well....whine.....except chocolate maybe!)

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mbelgard Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 1:54pm
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Me too, my husband has a habit of bringing home something because he feels like a specific drink and having one or two drinks of it before moving on. icon_lol.gif



I have three bottles of vodka under the cabinet, plain, vanilla and raspberry. I've used the vanilla and raspberry in icing before.

I also have to have Malibu in the house, as well as pineapple juice. Then there are the other bottles that you need for this and that. icon_smile.gif

There is enough of other things that the everclear can stay for just the cake stuff.




We currently have wine, beer, wine coolers, two different vodkas, amaretto, irish cream, white chocolate irish cream, disaronno, tequila, tequila rose, two whiskeys, about 3 different rums, sloe gin and several flavors of schnapps.

I really like Squirt with blue raspberry vodka. icon_lol.gif

The sad part is that most of this we've had a couple drinks of and it's sat, we don't drink all that much or often. icon_lol.gif It's great when company comes though, all you have to do is buy stuff to mix.

And Doug my mother hasn't quite figured out the wine thing either. icon_lol.gif My dad's sister swears that they really didn't make alcoholic wine back then and it was really grape juice they were referring to. You're right that the key is moderation,

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Doug Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 4:50pm
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My dad's sister swears that they really didn't make alcoholic wine back then and it was really grape juice they were referring to.




well, if that's the case -- how did Noah get drunk?! (post ark -- not a pretty story!) or the Israelites on their journey to Canaan?

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mbelgard Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 5:09pm
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My dad's sister swears that they really didn't make alcoholic wine back then and it was really grape juice they were referring to.



well, if that's the case -- how did Noah get drunk?! (post ark -- not a pretty story!) or the Israelites on their journey to Canaan?




I think my mom has had a few debates with her about it but she insists that's what it means. My mom has told her that without modern refridgeration or packaging that the juice would have fermented or gone bad on it's own if it hadn't been turned into wine.

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eatsleepdreamcake Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 5:23pm
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With just a little bit of internet research, I found a couple interesting things. The word "wine", when traced back to its Latin, Greek, and Hebrew roots, is used to refer to both fermented and unfermented grape juice. Also, as with many other things, ancient people knew how to do things that we wouldn't expect for them to have been able to do and that we no longer know how to do. One of these things was preserving unfermented grape juice through various methods.

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shooterstrigger Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 5:55pm
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"wine" as we translate it refers to both the grape juice and the fermented product. This is evident when Jesus talks about putting new wine into new containers. Once a container had held a fermented product, it would forever more be contaminated. The fermentation process would naturally happen simply by putting the juice into these containers as they absobed a "starter" So ...If you did not plan to ferment your "wine" you had to put it into new containers.
There are lots of other reasons people choose to opstain from alcohol. I have a friend with celiacs. She cannot tolerate the wheat from the alcohol. Many alcoholics try to avoid all forms of alcohol. I would think that someone so concerned about it would take it upon themselves to ask about ingredients in food they are not preparing themselves. However, if you have a reason to wonder just ask people. If they don't want the alcohol and you feel it can't be ommited they can choose a different look or baker. I have noticed a lot of people jumping on the "this is silly/ unnessisary/foolish" bandwagon. What about or Jewish friends? They have completely seperate sets of dishes, pans, ect. all to avoid the combining of certain foods. To each his own. We all do the best we can to follow God (or not). Like I said if its a question ask.

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tobycat Posted 4 Aug 2007 , 11:59pm
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My dad's sister swears that they really didn't make alcoholic wine back then and it was really grape juice they were referring to.



well, if that's the case -- how did Noah get drunk?! (post ark -- not a pretty story!) or the Israelites on their journey to Canaan?




I'm with you on this one Doug. There are plenty of examples of drunkenness in the Bible, and God tells us not to be drunkards. From my understanding of the Bible, it doesn't mean that we can't have a drink, but I don't criticize my tea-totaling friends. They have a right to their views. But, I do think it's a wee bit overboard to worry about luster dust mix or an extract. Unless you actually drink a cup full of the stuff, nothing will happen. You won't even notice, nor would you probably ever know. That said, I do believe in informing people, just as I did with my pastor and his wife. (Gee, could I walk a more narrow fence-line on this one!) icon_biggrin.gif

S.

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lionladydi Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 12:46am
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Messybaker........I know you are kidding but my family in Okla. has to hide the Listerine from my cousin who is an alcoholic or he will drink it. Sad.

I can see this thread going in the wrong direction with the Bible and the controversy over drinking. Lets keep it light so we don't get locked. JMO

mbelgard, I love squirt (actually diet squirt). I wonder if sour raspberry schnapps would work? I have a bottle of that I haven't opened. I saved it from when I sold my bar 3 1/2 years ago. Think I'll try it. Thanks!

Diane

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Doug Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 12:49am
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is getting Yucked OUT ---

with all this talk of Squirt (diet or reg) and RASPBERRY????

grapefruit (the only flavor I can taste in Squirt) and Raspberry....????

EWWWWWW!


(there is that light enough -- we can all make fun of doug now -- and try to gross him out even more!)

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lionladydi Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 1:03am
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is getting Yucked OUT ---

with all this talk of Squirt (diet or reg) and RASPBERRY????

grapefruit (the only flavor I can taste in Squirt) and Raspberry....????

EWWWWWW!


(there is that light enough -- we can all make fun of doug now -- and try to gross him out even more!)




Don't knock it until I've tried it Doug...............Guess I could right now. I'm drinking a Diet Squirt as I speak. I just got home from a luau and I'm stuffed but I could force myself to mix a drink, for your sake, of course.

Diane

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lionladydi Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 1:11am
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Okay..........all I have is Raspberry Pucker. I mixed some in my Diet Squirt and it is wonderful. One never knows...........It looks like something that might have come out of one of those Smurfs but it's good. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

Diane

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mbelgard Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 1:16am
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My husband describes the squirt and vodka as tasting kind of like a raspberry slushy. You don't really taste much citrus with the flavored vodka.

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jennifer7777 Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 7:23am
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Somebody help me! I am laughing too hard at this thread!!! I am literally crying with laughter! And the white cake with the chambord and raspberry filling sounds gooood! I'm sorry I can't remember who posted that, and I'm too lazy to look because I'm laughing too hard!

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Hollyanna70 Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 8:14am
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Yay, time for another stupid question from.....

yup, you guessed it! ME!! yay!! *cheers*



Um.. What is Squirt? I can't help but to think it's something gross, just from the name.. haha Of course, that might be from the Raspberry I keep seeing.

It's odd, I like raspberries, but can't stand the flavor in a liquid or candy form, or jam, or filling, nothing really. I only like fresh ones. *shrug*

Anyway, so .. yeah, um.. what is Squirt again? I don't recall ever hearing of it.

Thanks in advance,

Holly


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lionladydi Posted 5 Aug 2007 , 10:45am
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Yay, time for another stupid question from.....

yup, you guessed it! ME!! yay!! *cheers*



Um.. What is Squirt? I can't help but to think it's something gross, just from the name.. haha Of course, that might be from the Raspberry I keep seeing.

It's odd, I like raspberries, but can't stand the flavor in a liquid or candy form, or jam, or filling, nothing really. I only like fresh ones. *shrug*

Anyway, so .. yeah, um.. what is Squirt again? I don't recall ever hearing of it.

Thanks in advance,

Holly


(odd little bird, aren't I?) icon_biggrin.gif




Probably no odder than the rest of us.................

Squirt is a caffeine-free citrus-flavored soft drink created in 1938 by Herb Bishop. Bishop gave Squirt its name because the drink seemed to "squirt" into your mouth like a freshly squeezed grapefruit. Squirt is naturally flavored and contains grapefruit juice (less than 1%). This is the Wikipedia definition. I drank it in Calif. when I was a child and years later it finally is on the shelves in my small town in Missouri.

Amazingly enough, the raspberry does cut the citrus taste......... icon_lol.gif

Diane

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