Feeling a bit weird - Page 2

don't sell yourself cheap. I sold real estate for over 10 years and people didn't and don't realize all the time and education it takes to sell real estate correctly and honestly and working on only a few cakes and the time and the work that went into the decorating. I feel that you deserve every penny that you were paid because you are becoming the expert. And it is always nice to receive a thank note. so good luck and i hope that more people pay you more than you think that you deserve.

If this guy had a pool & can afford to do a pool party for the whole baseball team then he can afford a regular priced cake! He should want to help you out in your business! He could get the parents to chip in too.... People use & abuse us cake decorator's!!!!!!

Everyone stick to your guns!!!!

Well me and the cheap guy came to an understanding and I bet he don't say cheap anymore, so I ended up doing the cake for him. I would like some feed back as he will be picking it up tomorrow, so here goes.

the cake looks wonderful. and I am gald that you didn't sell yourself cheap

Good job-both on straightening him out and on the cake...he will eat his words!!!

That was nice of her to take into consideration all you did with the cakes.... Don't feel bad.... One day you'll get that person who doesn't want to pay you anything....or hardly anything...and you're worth your time and materials...
Happy baking,
cakegal

I think you did a great job on this cake, it looks wonderful!
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes

Hey Leslie,
Gurl,, Don't you dare feel Guilty at all about the money she gave you. She offered it. and You tried to tell her it was too much. It was just that she was so thrilled with your work that she wanted to show you. I am like Tc I will take the tip. I usually set the tip money aside from my cake money and use it for a special trip to the cake store or if I am saving up for something special. =0)~
Now,, Lets talk about Cheap Cake.. I am with Janice, You do quality cakes and that isn't CHEAP. uggghhh what he think you would do an entire football field for 10.00 pfffffttt,,,, it would cost more then that to get started. I would just figure out what the cost would be. and if he asks again give him the price and if he says no then thats ok too. if you under cut yourself today you will do it again tomorrow. and trust me, I have a time telling my prices too, but have finally gotten to the point where I am not as worried and can't wait to get to the point where I just blab it out and be just fine with it. & not worry they are going to be like O well.. here's wishing us all better Backbones when it comes to telling our Prices!
~Sweet~ =0)

I still have a hard time with pricing my cakes too. I don't do that many right now as I'm still in Culinary School (Baking and Pastry Arts) and I just don't have the time. But I will do them for friends, family, and a few co-workers. I did a cake for a co-worker's son's birthday. This kid is so into electronic anything...I had a hard time coming up with what to do for him. She gave me complete free reign over the design, etc. I ended up doing an electrical outlet. I took 2 9x13 cakes and stacked them, (this thing was HUGE! lol) iced them, then did a buttercream transfer that looked like the outlets on the wall. I then put together some scrap pieces of a round cake and assembled it look like a plug on the outlet. I used licorice for the cord. It came out awesome! My co-worker was thrilled and her son just couldn't stop giggling at how BIG this cake was. She paid me $20. I'm sure it was worth way more than that, but that's all I felt comfortable in charging her.

I did a wedding cake for another co-corker of mine. I did a 6, 8, and 10 in round cakes and wrote out various words and phrases they had given me on the sides of the cakes. I also did about 3 dozen cupcakes to go along the base of the cake stand. It was a big hit at the reception! I told him that I would only tell him how much it was in supplies. Anything beyond that was their call. They paid me about $150 more than the cost of my supplies. Talk about feeling weird! I know my work was worth it, it just felt weird.

I'm doing another cake this weekend for a friend. It's her daughter's first birthday. She and I have already agreed that they'll pay for supplies (I did their wedding cake last year too). I'll probably round the supply cost up just a tad for my time, but that's about it. I do this right now for the experience...and my love of cake decorating!

Taking that into a different direction, have you ever noticed how folks think they should get a sheet cake for a lot cheaper than say a round or square or whatever? Well, first of all, it should go by the amount of cake batter and icing and of course, the amount of decoration and the degree of difficulty too.
Take for example a 11x15 by 2 inch deep sheet cake. For one layer it takes about 2 and a bit cake mixes or from scratch recipes. It doesn't take as much icing if you don't torte the cake, often I make two full layers because I don't really like the look of a 2 inch deep sheet cake. But I would say that unless it is strictly a 2 inch deep unfilled cake with a couple of roses and a simple border, it really isn't less time-consuming or cheaper to make. For one thing, I use corrugated boards and I need at least two to support a sheet cake. It costs more to cover the boards as they are larger, the boxes are more expensive too. It takes a lot longer to decorate this larger surface than it does a smaller round cake.
A 9x13 goes for about $25 at a grocery store. I charge about $40 to $50 for an 11x15 depending on how many full layers I make, sometimes $60 if I have made a whole lots of extra molded candy decorations and such. I find this reasonable. It isn't a cake I whip up and decorate in an hour, I also make the cakes from scratch and use cream and butter in the cakes and icing. But even at those prices I am not costing them anywhere near the 3x figures most folks follow.
Just something that always gets to me, when folks ask for a cheaper sheet cake!
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes

Scarlett873, I think it changes with the amount of cakes you have to do and also, when you start dealing with last minute folks who want something for nothing and are never happy. You are doing it for experience and fun right now.
I always, always did cakes for cost. But the thing is, that is fine if you are doing it for fun in your spare time and are happy with it. Where it gets not so fine is when you get people who want things for almost nothing, they want very complex designs and they are always last minute. It becomes almost insulting. You come up with prices that you feel are fair and they try to bargain with you. These folks tend to do everything at the last minute and don't care how much of an inconvenience they are either. And if you tolerate it you will end up with a whole lot more customers of similar thought.
So this is why, if you intend to do this for business and not just for fun or experience, you need to make sure you are happy with your prices. Otherwise you will end up with tons of business because the word will get around and you will likely start to resent the customers. They will resent it too, if you suddenly start to charge much higher but more realistic prices.
Hugs Squirrelly

What was this guy thinking? Why do people say things like that.........what an insult!!!!!!!!!

Tell him you don't make cheap cakes......then after he stumbles over his words and says "oh, I don't mean it that way" tell him you have too many orders and you are unable to help him..........I'd never bake for him!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry that happened.........don't you just want to slap people sometimes?!

don't you just want to slap people sometimes?! oooo Me Me!!! I do I do,, hahhaa..
I had an order for my xbox controller cake and Noone could decide what to do,as in if it was being picked up or I was taking it to them, I was not even called days before it was supposed to be made after several calls and voice mails I left,, I finally got in touch with the granda ma to be on the day they needed it.. and she was like I am too busy to come get it, I was like I am too busy too,, I am baking more cakes for today as well. I must get them done along with, getting my kids signed up for soccer and it was still as if my time were not as important as hers. so I agreed to meet her at a stop sign, well she blew past me,, uggghhhh.. I got very and litterally had to CHASE her.. she knew it was me she flung her arm out to WAVE at me and flashed her pearly false teeth as she about blew my doors off.. I am not filmar with that road and it was really curvey, well I could only see the butt end of her van I catch her at the hall.. omg,, wonders never cease.. hahaha. and then I take it in, and get it out of the box, have to Move everything off of the table because she didnt leave enough space for the cake... and then she wanted me to re-decorate the table.. I was like omg, I have to GOOOOOO.. and I gave my 4yr old the sprinkles that she wanted dumped all around the cake, He did a Wonderful Job I must add.. and then she wanted me to Help her UNLOAD her VAN and Set more stuff up.. I was like I am so Sorry I just can't I must go. I have a ton of work still to do.
My Point is,, THIS should have been a Priority to them as much as it was to me, So yes Last minute people will try to take advantage of you. but I did charge them a 5.00 delivery fee for having to chase Granny who drives like a bat out of Heck.. heck, you know that would only get ya 2 gallons of gas these days!
& they all Loved the cake

O & Leslie,, POST your PIC'S Gurl You Know they are GREAT!
~I Know Cause I have seen them,, Ya'll Help me talk her into Posting them, She is SO VERY TALENTED!!!!

~here's to Sticking to our guns and not Slapping the snot out of people when they really need it!!!
~Sweet~

I love the Baseball Field. its Great! and now he will know that we dont believe in CHEAP CAKES!

P.s. Sorry for the book!
~Sweet~

I agree with all the previous comments. Don't feel weird, business is business! My Sister always pays me full price when I make a cake for her. I always tell her to just pay me for the ingredients, but she insists on paying what I would charge anyone else b/c she knows how much work I put into all my cakes. I like to work exclusively with fondant, it's pricier than buttercream alone but, that's my trademark. Sometimes, people make comments on how it's a little more than what they would want to pay. I just tell them, the cake I make is high quality, it does have buttercream, but the top layer is Fondant and that's what I work it.
If they want a "cheaper" only buttercream iced cake, they have to find it elsewhere b/c I don't specialize in that. (Please don't get me wrong anyone, I'm not calling buttercream only cakes cheap, my pervious comment was only meant in reference to Fondant, "buttercream only" is less expensive. I don't want to offend anyone, you know what I mean?) I have no problem if they don't choose me, I think of it, as more time to myself since this is my side business. I have a regular job and although I love making my cakes, I also enjoy my down time Ask Mr. "Cheap" Baseball cake, what he considers "cheap" ya never know, what is cheap for him, might be just right for you. If it's too cheap, tell him that for that price, you can only make the cake for _ # of servings (pick a ridiculous low #) and see what he says. If he doesn't like that, then kindly suggest the supermarket route. Don't under sell yourself, I did that once and it still makes me cringe to this day.
Good Luck and keep us posted on his response.