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post #31 of 70
Jackie, just wanted to say thank you because I know you must spend so much time making this such a great site for all of us!!
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post #32 of 70
Thank you Jackie. Although, that still is a problem for me, I do see where you're coming from. Sorry we're making your job harder. But you are doing a fabulous job with this site! thumbs_up.gif

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post #33 of 70
I agree on the skill level thing. there is no way to determine that, it would be too hard. Also I own a business but I think there are a lot of people here that are more skilled than I am.. I don't think that really matters. JMHO
post #34 of 70
Interesting topic. I have been reading the posts about this and I also have an opinion.
First of all, just because I have been decorating cakes for many years, I may not have done half as many as those of you who have been doing a lot of cakes for only a year or two. I have never taken the Wilton courses and when I try something new, it is new to me and I learn it by looking at another cake and figuring it out or by following instructions I see written somewhere.
I don't often post pictures of my cakes, that is just a thing I have, I also don't like getting my picture taken. I post pictures when people ask for them and if I happen to have a picture , but that is about it. It isn't a question of not wanting to share or not wanting anyone to copy, it is just the way I am.
I don't consider myself a professional decorator, just a person with a bit of knowledge about decorating and a fair bit of knowledge about baking.
I have only voted once on one cake competition here. I must say, I am not keen on the way folks vote. I think that every single cake should be voted on, in fact, I wish that was mandatory, vote for one, vote for all. That is just my opinion. I think that otherwise it is a bit offensive to the participants and also, I do think sometimes it is a bit of a popularity contest, not so much based on the cake itself but who did the cake. I also think that some folks rate the cakes very low and I cringe when I note that. So, as a result, I will no longer vote on the cakes entered in the contests.
I am not critiquing what Jackie herself is doing here, but rather a bit put off by how the members are using the contests even though they are well within the rules. It is Jackie's site, she can do as she sees fit. I am only a guest here.
I think many sites have many members who only look and do not post. That is unfortunate, but true, but again, well within the membership rules. Not everyone has time to post or comment. And yes, there will always be folks that will take, but not give. It is true of all of the sites.
I don't think you can ever please everyone. If you post a lot, people think you are a bit of a "Know-it-all" and sometimes feel that their task is to cut you down to size. Some folks resent sharing information, others take other folk's information and post it as their own. Others won't share a thing. Some will argue every point anyone makes.
I guess it doesn't matter to me what status folks have, when they enter a contest. I just enjoy seeing all of the various takes on a theme.
I just wish that folks were kinder when they vote and kind when they post.
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes
post #35 of 70
I wonder if I have any right to to be adding my two cents to this topic. I guess I fall in to the category of those that never/hardly ever post on the site. As you can see I have only posted 3 this would make 4 times since I have been a member here. Don;t worry I am not trying to boost my ranking just to enter the competition. I have no intention of entering. I may not actively post to cakecentral, however I have referred many other cake decorators to this site. Helping the "CC Family" to grow I guess. I suppose the point I am making is that different people contribute in different ways. You may prefer to give advice, some maybe too intimidated to chat and others may prefer to expose others to this site.


As for the issue of the home decorator vs the professional, I personally think that should encourage us All to do our best. It's kind of like a race where you have the top contender and the underdog. You can bet you bottom dollar that the underdog is gonna give it the best he/she has and not quit before the gun even went off. If you lose, oh well at least you tried your best and hopefully improve. If you win that's icing on the cake. That's just my way of thinking. I love a challenge nothing in life worth having comes easy.

Jackie, I know this decision ultimately lies with you but how are you going to prevent people from rapidly posting 20 times? And how will you determine if they rapidly posted 20 times just to enter the contest or if their posts were 'legitimate' so to speak? I dont think saying oh you need to have 20 post will do it. Just a suggestion and it's more complicated but at least I brought something to the table. Maybe You have to be a member x number of weeks/months prior to this contest was announced AND have contributed x amount of post during that time frame.

Contrary to what some said, making 20 post is not really an indicator of how much time or effort went in to being a part of this community. I can make 20 post in say five minutes. Yet, one quality post may take me 30 minutes of reading what everyone else said and thinking of how to respond.

Now on the topic of fairness, I have seen a few comments staring that some of you would only vote for names you know. Hmmm, seems a bit like a popularity contest not a fair contest. Correct me if I am wrong. It would be interesting if the name of the person submitting the cake was kept secret. (Yes I know no way of knowing who is telling who which cake they made.)

Princess (Oh darn i need a princess smilie.. I feel naked w/o it)
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The 6 Ps Law states Proper Preparation Prevents Pi$$ Poor Performance.

-Mr. Morganti
post #36 of 70
Hhmn, Cake Princess, you made me think of another interesting point. Apparently and this is just hearsay, other entrants in other previous contests, had all of their friends, acquaintances, co-workers, family members well you get the idea - sign up for memberships and vote for them in these contests. So that is another aspect to it. If you are going to limit the contests to frequent posters, then shouldn't you also limit the votes being cast to frequent posters or persons of long-standing memberships to make things balanced.
Funny thing is, it never occured to me that folks would do this kind of thing, to win a contest, but apparently they do. Smacks to me of rigging the vote but then, in a day and age of reality tv programmes where anything goes, I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise.
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes
post #37 of 70
To some people winning a competition, any competion is an ultimate high...and they will go all out to win!

In cake decorating competitions, maybe for some it is about winning so that you can add it to your portfolio, so that you can advertise and/or brag about it, I don't know for sure what the driving force might be. We would all like to feel we have a chance of winning, but as it has been pointed out, the main goal for the average person here at CC, I believe, is improving our skill and learning all we can to apply to that skill, not winning a competition!

As far as voting for or giving high ratings only to your friends or acquainances, I think that stinks.

Perhaps it would be more fair if only Jackie (and the computer) knows who decorated the cakes. Of course, those who are determined to win could still easily "stack the deck" simply by their henchmen knowing which cake is theirs.

All of the complexities and the problems do make it difficult to feel really good about entering the contests. I'm really sorry it has gotten so complicated! Janice
post #38 of 70
I don't know if anyone was thinking I meant that I would only vote for friends or aquaintances...if so I might have not been clear...I said ( or meant to) that I would vote for someone that I knew was a regualr member and posted and was an active member of the community even if their cake was not quite as good as one of the "drop in members"...I didn't mean I would vote for someone I know better than another even if the others cake was better. I love all of the folks here icon_biggrin.gif
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post #39 of 70
Cake contest, or any contest in the matter should be just fun. You should vote however you see fit...whether you vote on names that contribute more here, or who have been here longer, or putting that all aside and picking your favorites then listing them in decenting order and go from there... you should vote and do so with confidence. I will personally make sure I look at ALL in the same way and give "points" for originality, beautification, and such and make sure that each cake gets some vote. I also have decided not to enter contest (for now). Because I feel I take votes from others that are better then mine, and it seem to have been proven. I was told that my friends and family members that are on here, or at least registered here, have came on and voted for just my cake, and not look at others. This was not how I felt they were. I thought they had more integrity then that, but now I also understand they are my friends and family and they know how hard I am on myself, so they wanted to boast my confidence in my cakes. I was upset, but eventually understood, and no hard feelings are left.

*edited to add words and rethink what and how I posted from (for now) on. icon_redface.gif
post #40 of 70
No, Kayday, I didn't think that you meant you'd only vote for friends! Voting for regular contributors that we recognize over "drop ins" is totally understandable. Sorry if you thought I was talking about you specifically. Janice
post #41 of 70
Well, I agree that there is not one cake that doesn't deserve a three star rating. You have to understand that generally most people who are not "into cake decorating" cannot or do not ice a cake well, let alone decorate it. Every last cake I have ever seen on this site is good!
I guess I feel that even if Colette Peters entered a cake in this contest, if because of the rules and the way the contest was set up, she was entitled to enter, well then if her cake was the best cake entered, it would deserve to win. If it wasn't the best cake, it shouldn't win even if folks just plain love her and she is really popular.
I think seeing the fact that this person who won, doesn't post here normally and seeing folks pointing that out, detracted from the fact that she won the contest. Her cake was fabulous and she deserved to win because many members voted for her cake. There were no stipulations that you had to have had a minimum posting requirement or have been a member for a specific length of time in this contest's rules. So I found it a bit upsetting that she might read all of the comments and feel that people felt she somehow cheated by entering. I understand why the comments were made, I really do, but I don't think people really thought that by making these comments they were perhaps creating an unfriendly atmosphere. Personally if I were that lady, I would think twice about ever coming back on the site after seeing the references in a couple of places.
I find that on all cake sites there is a certain amount of pettiness that always seems to have to rear its ugly head. Most of the time on this site, it is minimal, but it does exist, unfortunately. Though the comments were meant to point out what many feel is an unfair fact, I think, in the long run they might offend a lot of folks, especially newbies or folks that have been on the site for awhile, but just have not felt ready to post yet.
The bottom line is that Jackie created these contests out of the goodness of her heart and supplies the prizes out of her own pocket. I don't believe there is any way to make a contest fool-proof, even Wilton has has problems with their contests. I think we have to accept contests will always have issues because of the participants.
I think that the folks that enter contests are putting themselves on the line and deserve better ratings because it takes a lot of guts to do that. There is not one cake entered that didn't have one or two or several admirable qualities.
I applaude folks that take a chance and try something new and enter it. I also applaude folks that know their limitations and stick with what they are good at and enter a cake that may not be complex to some folks, but is extremely well done. Then I applaude the folks that take an unusual idea or twist on things or a sentimental approach. And I applaude folks that take an original design, try to copy it and give credit to the original creator!
But mostly I applaude folks for just plain sharing their work with all of us. That takes a lot of courage!
I understand the sentiments behind voting for regular members and such but I still think that it is better to vote for what you feel is the best cake based on the cake, not the creator.
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes
post #42 of 70
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Originally Posted by SquirrellyCakes

Well, I agree that there is not one cake that doesn't deserve a three star rating. You have to understand that generally most people who are not "into cake decorating" cannot or do not ice a cake well, let alone decorate it. Every last cake I have ever seen on this site is good!
I guess I feel that even if Colette Peters entered a cake in this contest, if because of the rules and the way the contest was set up, she was entitled to enter, well then if her cake was the best cake entered, it would deserve to win. If it wasn't the best cake, it shouldn't win even if folks just plain love her and she is really popular.
I think seeing the fact that this person who won, doesn't post here normally and seeing folks pointing that out, detracted from the fact that she won the contest. Her cake was fabulous and she deserved to win because many members voted for her cake. There were no stipulations that you had to have had a minimum posting requirement or have been a member for a specific length of time in this contest's rules. So I found it a bit upsetting that she might read all of the comments and feel that people felt she somehow cheated by entering. I understand why the comments were made, I really do, but I don't think people really thought that by making these comments they were perhaps creating an unfriendly atmosphere. Personally if I were that lady, I would think twice about ever coming back on the site after seeing the references in a couple of places.
I find that on all cake sites there is a certain amount of pettiness that always seems to have to rear its ugly head. Most of the time on this site, it is minimal, but it does exist, unfortunately. Though the comments were meant to point out what many feel is an unfair fact, I think, in the long run they might offend a lot of folks, especially newbies or folks that have been on the site for awhile, but just have not felt ready to post yet.
The bottom line is that Jackie created these contests out of the goodness of her heart and supplies the prizes out of her own pocket. I don't believe there is any way to make a contest fool-proof, even Wilton has has problems with their contests. I think we have to accept contests will always have issues because of the participants.
I think that the folks that enter contests are putting themselves on the line and deserve better ratings because it takes a lot of guts to do that. There is not one cake entered that didn't have one or two or several admirable qualities.
I applaude folks that take a chance and try something new and enter it. I also applaude folks that know their limitations and stick with what they are good at and enter a cake that may not be complex to some folks, but is extremely well done. Then I applaude the folks that take an unusual idea or twist on things or a sentimental approach. And I applaude folks that take an original design, try to copy it and give credit to the original creator!
But mostly I applaude folks for just plain sharing their work with all of us. That takes a lot of courage!
I understand the sentiments behind voting for regular members and such but I still think that it is better to vote for what you feel is the best cake based on the cake, not the creator.
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes


Meant to add, there is the same problem on the Wilton contests. Frequently the winners have never made a single post on the site. Folks don't recognize their names at all. Guess that is always an issue with contests open to the public. However in their case, it isn't the members voting, it is an independant panel of judges and still they have problems, haha!
post #43 of 70
CAKEPRINCESS...........

You have EVERY right to enter your thoughts by posting....we all learn from each other!!!! I for one happen to be very glad you are here sharing now.. Maybe it will encourage others to do so! thumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gif
post #44 of 70
I totally agree Flavurdfun!
My fear is that folks will not want to share by posting. Then who do we go after? Do the posters that just ask for help not qualify because they are not helping? Do the posters that only post responses to requests for help not qualify because they only contribute responses not questions? Do the folks that only respond to fondant questions not qualify?...
I think it could become very dangerous territory and be detrimental to the site.
I think Cake Princess's response is a natural one, a new poster afraid that because they haven't posted they shouldn't be commenting. Pretty soon you could have a whole lot of folks walking on eggs, afraid to post.
Food for thought.
Hugs Squirrelly Cakes
post #45 of 70
I am kinda shocked by some of these comments. I took entering the contest as a way to try something new and push my skills. Don't really ever expect to win but since I don't have anyone to really bake for it gave me a reason. This is the first cake I have made in over a year and we are undergoing a kitchen remodel so my "kitchen" is all of my supplies shoved into our entry along with my piano lid holding cereal, and my dining table holding my microwave, toaster over, mixer, plates...you get my point. I think everyone should try to push themselves creativly as that is the only way to grow. I'd love to see contests in the future where say it has to have a certain element on it...stringwork, flowers, etc or a certain color, or all chocolate. This way we'd be forced to try something new. To enter or not enter because you think you may or may not win is cheating yourself out this chance and this challenge!
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