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post #16 of 38
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Good points Lambshack

I'll add those items. The detail work would be under extra decoration. Should I call it something else?

Hmmm, oven time. For cakes larger cakes take longer..... clearly my spreadsheet doesn't account for oven electricity, although I do have a place for you to enter in how many hours and the cost per hour (for overhead like electricity or if you are renting a place)

email me at alicegop@gmail.com and I'll give you the cake matrix. I don't want to post it online because I'll make updates so once I come out with an updated version I want people to have the current version and not old versions that might have a typo. Thanks for understanding! icon_wink.gif I promise I only keep your email address to update the matrix, nothing else!
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post #17 of 38
Slightly off topic here...I was looking at the Luster Dust on another site and it said it was not edible. Is it okay to paint on cookies then? Is "Luster Dust" just being used in a generic sense about any kind of powder used to decorate cakes and cookies?

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post #18 of 38
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Ummm, luster dust is a food product. It is perfectly safe to paint on cookies and cakes. Just look at all the postings of people who have it all over their cakes, no one has died yet to my knowledge. NO WORRIES!
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post #19 of 38
That's why I was confused, but check out this website where it says it's nonedible:

http://www.cookiecutter.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=214

"NOT EDIBLE, DO NOT USE ON COOKIES AND CAKES Luster dust gives subtle color with a high sheen metallic-like finish. Contains two or more of the following: Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxide, Carmine, Mica. Not water soluable. Developed for the cake decorating industry, Sparkle Dust contains only ingredients that are non-toxic and are ideal for use with gumpaste or rolled fondant. These dusts are not a food product and should not be considered as such. Intended for use in dry form, they may also be mixed with oil-based flavorings or alcohol for painting and highlighting. Contains 2 grams. "
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post #20 of 38
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hmm, learn something new everyday. Well a lot of people use it extensively on the cakes.........
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post #21 of 38
forgot to give you me email. keonicakes2@yahoo.com
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post #22 of 38
Maybe it's just for parts of the cake where you wouldn't really eat it, like on my avatar cake where she put it on the hard sugar monogram on the top layer??? That website says that Sparkle Dust is edible, but Luster Dust isn't. It's so confusing because it says it's for cake and cookie decorating supplies, but says this stuff is not edible. LOL!!
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post #23 of 38
There is 'highlighting' dust, which is completely inedible - really toxic - meant for things that will not be eaten - and it is really shiny - looks like liquid mercury.

Luster dust, petal dust, and sparkle dust (or glitter dust) is NON TOXIC, which means that while it won't hurt you if you eat it, it really is not a food product. Kinda like crayons, glue, and play doh - not intended to be used as food, but it won't hurt you if you have some. (I don't recommend this!) Also has something to do with having no nutritional value at all...

I think we're all safe. The cakes probably have more chemicals leaked into them from the pans we all use than the luster dusts do. And I always say if you're gonna go down, go down with Everclear! That's got to be more deadly than the dusts! LOL
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post #24 of 38
LOL!! Good point!! I've got to try this Everclear stuff.
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post #25 of 38
I use shrink wrap bags, could you add those to the matrix? They're $12 for 500 and the shipping cost is approx $7-$13 depending on region. Also, I bake my cookies on parchment paper, $3 for 30 sq ft.

I'd love to get a copy of the cookie matrix, my email is tastycookiecreations@msn.com

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post #26 of 38
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Okay I included parchment paper

I need prices on

Tape to secure foam
Cellophane wrapping
Twist Ties
Bows
stickers


Also for your consideration: I have it set up to figure out the cost of supplies and then there is a cost you charge per inch of cookie (this is your talent and labor) so then there is an additional percentage cost for adding sticks, extra design, personaliziation, etc... The suggestion was to make it a flat fee and I understand that idea... but really it is a flat fee since it is a percentage of your base charge, but it allows you to see it relative. So.... I know many of you charge a flat base fee for adding a stick and what not, but would you consider a change of perspective to have it relative to what your time is worth? Or should I just change it to be a flat fee added in per cookie..........

Mathematically
If you charge $1.30 an inch of cookie and then .25 per cookie for a stick then that stick so that quarter is almost 20 percent of your base price. So now your cookie costs 1.3+.25 = 1.55 or you can do 1.3(100% + 20%) = 1.55 so there is no difference.

But I'm a math teacher...... so I like percentages. It helps me to realize what that twenty five cents it. Less abstract. I am adding 20% to the price of the cookie which tells me I put in that much more effort........ Helps with the extra decoration charge too. Rather than trying to figure out what dollar amount to charge extra, ask yourself what percentage more difficult is it. That makes it easier to price different cookies too. If I charged 30% decoration fee on these plain cookies then this really difficult cookie is 75% harder than a normal cookie.

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post #27 of 38
alicegop, I haven't gotten into cookies yet but would be interested in the cake price sheet you have. I just sent you an email. thanks
post #28 of 38
alicegop I just sent you my email address...thanks again!
post #29 of 38
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Interesting... parchment paper. A good idea. (have you tried one of those silpats, I've heard they are good and reusable). So... help me out. For 60 cookies how many feet of parchment would you estimate you use?[/quote]

Down the road I plan to invest in silpats, good investment! I estimate that I would use 10 ft of parchment for 60 cookies. That estimate is based on average size cookies, 6 per sheet. Others probably have much bigger trays.

Other prices: most cello bags come with twist ties ($3.99 for 50 for me). I get 150 custom made labels for $10.

I ship alot of cookies so would you be interested in including shipping/packing materials in the matrix? Is the cookie matrix strictly for cookie bouquets or is it to include decorated cookies i.e. delivered on trays, boxes and/or in baskets??

Thanks for doing all this work!!!!
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post #30 of 38
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Cookie creations this is all really good info!!!!!!

It is for ALL, not just bouquets. Shipping and packaging is a great idea. Can you tell me how much that costs? How could I write a formula for that? Is it a flat fee, is it based on anything in particular?

Okay, I am going to post an update..... since I am still in the information gathering stage.

I am looking for people to enter their cookie orders and see how my prices compare. Can you tweak the base price and the the percentages to make it come out right?

I also resolved the above dispute on percents vs. added costs, but just having it automatically SHOW the added per cookie cost ALSO. Win Win!

Remember, don't change anything in yellow, anything in blue is an assumption which can and should be changed!
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