Pastry Pride is the only thing I use to frost my cakes. I can get it as smooth as buttercream. Pastry Pride, Frosting Pride and Bettercreme are all very similar. I don't know where you are but I buy I buy it at Smart & Final in California. I believe you can buy Bettercream at Costco and Sams. But please know that these do not crust. I smooth mine with a very warm spatula and 25 years of practice!Good luck!