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ttehan4
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:08 am |
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I thought buttercream would be a bad idea.
1. I wouldnt want to run the chance at all of those wilting after all that work
2. Each flower needs to be very percise in placement to have a clean look like that and I wouldnt want them to slide in the buttercream
3. I thought if I used fondant and attached them with royal or even gumpaste glue would be better
Anyone know where the link to Ron Ben-Isreal making this cake from the dome shape is? I watched the similar one on the Satin Ice video, but I would like to see this exact cake.
She is coming for a tasting/consult tomorrow. So we will see what she says about her budget. Here is picture of the other cake she sent me. She wants the rose to be the top tier and she said she is not sure about the bottom. Well, I have know idea what to do with the bottom to go with the top. Unless I cover it in petals like the top. She also want real butterflies in the vase. This cake is just over the top. |
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K8memphis-
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:32 am |
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I dry my fondant + cornstarch petals in a warming drawer at 150 degrees for two 2-hour periods too so mine become thin crispy candy too. |
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costumeczar
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:12 am |
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What is this customer smoking? She wants real butterflies in the vase? How long would those take to die? Nice....
Let's take bets on how much she's going to be "willing" to pay you for this. I guess $150. Plus $10 for the butterflies.  |
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MaryAllison
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Location: Spring, Texas
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:15 am |
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Did I see "dew" on a few of the petals? Is that achieved with piping gel? If so, can someone tell me, please? (I've been a member for quite sometime, but I've only started decorating 4 months ago. Please forgive me for my "newbie" inquiries.)
Thanking you all in advance for your continued advice, tips and support!
Allison
K8memphis...have you started the petals, yet? We're waiting for your tutorial!!! 
...off to google ombre airbrush! |
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ttehan4
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Location: Ohio
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:38 am |
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I'm not starting anything until I have a deposit in hand! lol
My guess is that she will not pay the price either. She didnt even ask about how much or anything. She contacted me intially through email, then called to confirm the appointment. She never asked a price. I am going to leave it up to her to get butterflies. I will tell her all my thoughts on it and I will put the poor little things in the vase, but I am not going to search for them in store or land..lol
I'll keep you all posted after our meeting tomorrow morning.
To answer the dew question. Regular old piping gel or cornsyrup dripped on. Easy-peasy. |
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ninatat
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:51 am |
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it would seem like you would have to stick the pedal's in bc in fondant, in gumpaste it would be to hard and couldn't eat, but i think bc under the pedals to other wise it wouldn't have any dimention, i think they would look like they were just piled on, interesting cake. |
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MaryAllison
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:44 am |
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Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?
...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour. |
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newmansmom2004
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:50 am |
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| MaryAllison wrote: | Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?
...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour. |
I'm in total agreement. When I saw that bride on Masters of Reception who wanted the real butterflies released at her wedding, then they all died and were just lying all over the place - it totally grossed me out and I thought it was just cruel. The wedding planners were apparently told to keep the butterflies in a cool place before releasing them so they put them in the refrigerator! Half of them were already dead and when they released the other ones they just flopped around - a few actually flew but the majority of them were dead or dying. Really creepy.
I'd seriously steer her clear of that idea - you don't want kids freaking out, bawling and screaming, and adults getting nauseated by dead butterflies in the middle of the cake. |
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playingwithsugar
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| michellesArt wrote: | | imagine how long it takes to make small gumpaste roses and multiply that into a CAKE!! one to get that effect all the petals HAVE to be the exact same size and they would be huge as well-a lot of time and patience just for the roses and then you sculpt the cake too...hope she's not a budget bride |
I've seen that cake up close. He did a version of it for the gumpaste flowers class I had taken with him a few years ago. The petals are huge. And the cake is absolutely stunning.
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ttehan4
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Location: Ohio
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:20 pm |
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I would love to see a side view of this cake. I think the butterflies are cruel too. I am going to try and talk her into something else. I dont see how they would live with the cake on top of the vase anyway. |
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whit6
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:47 pm |
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Is it just me who thinks this cake is actually kinda ugly? Maybe im just crazy but i think it doesnt really look good because there just WAY too many petals so it donest really look like a rose. Just my opinion |
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K8memphis-
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:27 pm |
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| MaryAllison wrote: | K8memphis...have you started the petals, yet? We're waiting for your tutorial!!!
...off to google ombre airbrush! |
Don't hold your breath for a tutorial 
Ombre just means darker to lighter so you would have your petals laid out in rows and you'd spray some of them with a second coat and some with a third coat and maybe a fourth coat so they go from light to dark--that's all I meant.
I mean what tutorial? Make a ton of rose petals & stick 'em in huh~~
I was just gonna time it & see how long it took. |
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MaryAllison
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:00 pm |
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That's funny, K8memphis! I appreciate the expedited tutorial.
Seriously, though, I thank you for the ombre description. I think even I can do this technique.
Make it a wonderful day!
Allison
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Jeep_girl816
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:03 pm |
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| MaryAllison wrote: | Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?
...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour. |
seriously! Watch out or you'll have PETA breathing down your neck! |
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indydebi
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:25 pm |
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| K8memphis- wrote: | | I mean what tutorial? Make a ton of rose petals & stick 'em in huh~~ |
That's pretty much the concept behind any "tutorial" I might dream up: look at the picture, figure it out and just do it!
But let's play with the numbers that were offered earlier. 4 people, 2 days. Assume ONLY 8 hours per day. THat's 32 man hours per day x 2 days = 64 man hours. If we assume they are entry level and make a lousy ten bucks an hour, that's $640 just in payroll .... which doesn't include the bakery owner's payroll costs of workers comp insurance, payroll taxes, accountant expense for processing the payroll, etc.
If we assume they are of a higher skill level and make $15/hour x 64 hours = $960 just in payroll, plus all other expenses as listed above.
Any idea how big the 4 people 2 day cake was? If it serves 100, that's $9.60/serving JUST for the payroll. If it serves 50, that's $19.20/serving JUST for the labor. Then you'd have to add a cost for the ingredients, for the overhead (baking, mixing, clean up), for the profit margin.
I'd say anywhere between $25-$60 per serving. |
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